Parking companies stealing you ?

Gustavo Volcan · 04-08-2009, 01:52 AM

Do you think parking companies have been stealing from you?

If you think so then... how do you think they do?

snicksnack · 04-08-2009, 02:32 AM

What do you mean by stealing from you ?

I think they simply make small modifications to the revenue share, sometimes.

Gustavo Volcan · 04-08-2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snicksnack

What do you mean by stealing from you ?

I think they simply make small modifications to the revenue share, sometimes.

You know, it's virtual money... they can just push a key and cut your revenue share down, traffic, CTR and so on...

How do we explain that some people pay 10 dollars for a google click and we get only a few cents? Where is the 9.95 dollars? Google and parking companie's pockets right?

It's not steal becouse we accept that, but it is in the sense that it's VERY unfair!

Google becomes one of the most powerful companies in the world and we get only a few cents per click.

Rick Latona · 04-08-2009, 01:46 PM

They would call it shaving. Shaving is when you tell someone 60% but only give them 50%.

I don't think most parking companies are shaving, mainly because most parking companies don't even tell you what percentage you are getting in the first place. If they change you from 60% to 50% under those terms they aren't cheating because there was no agreement made as to what percentage you would get.

The same goes for Google's AdSense.

Daniel Dryzek · 04-08-2009, 08:57 PM

At least 50% from each click goes directly to Google and even parking companies are not able to verify it in any way.

So there will be another 50% given to parking company and you will get 30-70% from that - depends on how big domain portfolio holder you are and how much money can parking company earn on you.

Revenue from parked domains is still very not transparent and it looks like it won't change for a long time.

DD

Gustavo Volcan · 04-09-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Dryzek

At least 50% from each click goes directly to Google and even parking companies are not able to verify it in any way.

So there will be another 50% given to parking company and you will get 30-70% from that - depends on how big domain portfolio holder you are and how much money can parking company earn on you.

Revenue from parked domains is still very not transparent and it looks like it won't change for a long time.

DD

I have noticed that... once a had a few domains parked separately from my main sedo account, they were in a small account, just a few domains making 300 Euros month... when I moved these "300 euro month" domains to my main (big) account, instantly these "300 euro month" domains started generating 700 Euro month in my main account... in the small account general CPC was 2, 3 cents.... in my main account it was 6 cents.

They are fools sometimes, SEDO lost me as customer to domainsponsor 3 or 4 years ago becouse they just decided to pay me less %... downgraded my account... after a year I went back to them they paying me more than double than when I left, right now they are doing again, this time they will lose me to namedrive and other.

Try to make much... make nothing in the end. I think SEDO is a good company but I am pretty sure they lose a lot of money by not being flexible.

It's not good pay a costumer 1 while the costumer knows you can pay him 3... if other company pays your costumer 2 (and they do if you ask) your costumer will move, leave you.

Just yesterday SEDO sent one of their employees here to south of Brazil to eat pizza, talk to me and some other domainers here... their employee had been for weeks before talking to me on the phone and email saying: "I will go to Brazil visit you next month, want to meet you... I said... "I don't want to meet you, all you can say you have said to me on the phone... if you are not able to solve the main question on the phone that is revenue share then I don't want to meet you face to face." They think they can cut your revenue off more than needed to keep their revenue high, pay you a pizza and that's OK! Are you kidding me?

So their employee was here in front of my home anyway yesterday and I told my girlfriend to say I was not home. They take hundreds thousands of euros from you and think sending an employee to the other side of the world pay you a Pizza is going to make you happy. Makes me laugh! No need for crossing half world, no need for Pizza!

Daniel Dryzek · 04-09-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustavo Volcan

Makes me laugh! No need for crossing half world, no need for Pizza!

Heh, nice story Gustavo

I agree - the only thing we want from parking companies is higher revenue. Nothing less and nothing more.

DD

Alfredo · 04-09-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustavo Volcan

I have noticed that... once a had a few domains parked separately from my main sedo account, they were in a small account, just a few domains making 300 Euros month... when I moved these "300 euro month" domains to my main (big) account, instantly these "300 euro month" domains started generating 700 Euro month in my main account... in the small account general CPC was 2, 3 cents.... in my main account it was 6 cents.

, I started to make minisites for the same reason. I want the whole pie to me.

Daniel Dryzek · 04-09-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfredo

, I started to make minisites for the same reason. I want the whole pie to me.

But minisites aren't always best solution. Parking is still most efficient for domains with small traffic and many other types that can't be developed or it's not efficient to develop them into minisites.

So there will be always big market for parking companies. Which is not bad at all but parking companies should give domainers bigger revshare. Competition is the key I think.

DD

Alfredo · 04-09-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Dryzek

But minisites aren't always best solution. Parking is still most efficient for domains with small traffic and many other types that can't be developed or it's not efficient to develop them into minisites.

So there will be always big market for parking companies. Which is not bad at all but parking companies should give domainers bigger revshare. Competition is the key I think.

DD

Yes, I only use minisites in some domains. Depend on affiliates programs in the country, quality and amount of traffic...

snicksnack · 04-09-2009, 11:41 PM

I think affilate programs can work nicely, if you have the right domains. Alot of affilates pay for ads on google / yahoo and then send the traffic to the affiliate program. If these ads show up on the parked pages, it must work for the affilates and thus should work for you too.
I find it sometimes hard to get accepted into some affiliate programs, as many are designed for US comapnies...

Gustavo Volcan · 04-10-2009, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snicksnack

I think affilate programs can work nicely, if you have the right domains. Alot of affilates pay for ads on google / yahoo and then send the traffic to the affiliate program. If these ads show up on the parked pages, it must work for the affilates and thus should work for you too.
I find it sometimes hard to get accepted into some affiliate programs, as many are designed for US comapnies...

Yes, sometimes affiliates are great!! In a few situations I have made 10X more money sending traffic of some domains to affiliates that were a perfect match instead of sending to parking companies.

snicksnack · 04-10-2009, 01:44 AM

Which affilate systems do you use? CJ.com, Linkshare.com, Google ? What else ?

Gustavo Volcan · 04-10-2009, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snicksnack

Which affilate systems do you use? CJ.com, Linkshare.com, Google ? What else ?

CJ.com is very good, sometimes I find there exact matches... too bad they don't have many companies working with Brazil. But I use some affiliates here inside the country like submarino.com.br mercadolivre.com.br... one very good company that I am using now is glispa.com they run many good campaings around the world. For some of my domains I make double with them here in Brazil than with parking companies.

Alfredo · 04-10-2009, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snicksnack

Which affilate systems do you use? CJ.com, Linkshare.com, Google ? What else ?

Tradedoubler, Zanox, Cj, CPX Interactive, Begun

Local companies have good affiliates programs for local IPs.

snicksnack · 04-10-2009, 09:38 AM

"CPX Interactive" is popunders / popups, at least this is what I have with them.

Alfredo · 04-10-2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snicksnack

"CPX Interactive" is popunders / popups, at least this is what I have with them.

CPX have other options; Banners: 468x600, 728x90,... I use it in Latam.

oldtimer · 04-11-2009, 02:19 AM

Even the most reputable parking companies will sometimes put priority on taking care of their own expenses before they decide how much they want to pay out to others which is pretty much accepted as the norm in the industry, but there are some that go one step further by giving a big share right off of the top to their favorite customers, and then divide whatever is left amongst everyone else along with some made up stats to supposedly justify their meager revenue. That***8217;s why that I like to use google AdSense, because at least with them I know that they are not going to shortchange their customers as a matter of policy, all the account activities are logged at google and so even if a rouge employee starts skimming from the accounts it shows up quickly and can be stopped right away. IMO

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Daniel Dryzek · 04-11-2009, 10:20 AM

In Poland there are quite a lot of other feed providers (CPA, CPC), so there's a plenty of possibilities and competition towards Google AdSense if you want to setup minisites.

DD

Gustavo Volcan · 04-11-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Dryzek

In Poland there are quite a lot of other feed providers (CPA, CPC), so there's a plenty of possibilities and competition towards Google AdSense if you want to setup minisites.

DD

These are local providers or international providers that work inside Poland?

Alfredo · 04-12-2009, 10:25 AM

Has anyone used oxado.com?

Oxado

Daniel Dryzek · 04-12-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavo Volcan

These are local providers or international providers that work inside Poland?

These are both local and international providers that supports Polish traffic (.pl).

LOCAL:

afilo.pl
novem.pl
adkontekst.pl
adtotal.pl

Most of them have English version sites too.

Here you can find also a lot of partner programs from separate companies:
Katalog programów partnerskich | e-Biznes i Programy Partnerskie

INTERNATIONAL:

zanox.pl
TradeDoubler - The European Affiliate Network
businessclick.com

There are much more of course - I just listed few of them - better known and popular.

DD

snicksnack · 04-12-2009, 01:13 PM

Thnaks alot for the information. I will check. I have a decent amount of .pl traffic, and hope to get some affilate stuff up an drunning.

Billbo · 04-14-2009, 08:26 PM

I stopped parking my domains about a year ago, yes I am out some dollars but I also don't have the ongoing hassle of playing the parking companies 'game'!

If you can develop your sites and get affiliate advertising on you are likely to make much more money than if you parked your domain, and what is more you know that you are getting the rewards that your investment and time deserve and not what some desk jockey in a multi-million/billion dollar company thinks they can get away with giving you! That feeling is priceless in itself.

Daniel Dryzek · 04-14-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billbo

I stopped parking my domains about a year ago, yes I am out some dollars but I also don't have the ongoing hassle of playing the parking companies 'game'!

Is it wise to lose "some dollars", when you could not lose them only by parking unused domain names?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billbo

If you can develop your sites and get affiliate advertising on you are likely to make much more money than if you parked your domain [...]

That is in many (if not most) cases probably true but on the other hand it will be very difficult to develop hundreds or thousands domain names. Then in my opinion it is wide to park those that you can't or don't want to develop and keep them only for sale. Then parking is a perfect solution in my opinion.

DD

04-08-2009, 01:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
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snicksnack Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: China Posts: 293	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? What do you mean by stealing from you ? I think they simply make small modifications to the revenue share, sometimes. __________________ ccTLD registration at domainer friendly prices .de €3.50 / .be € 5.0 / .co.uk €6.20 / .es €6.80 / .nl €6.20 many other good deals. .CM top level domains for Euro 70 per year.

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Rick Latona Status: Janitor Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 224	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? They would call it shaving. Shaving is when you tell someone 60% but only give them 50%. I don't think most parking companies are shaving, mainly because most parking companies don't even tell you what percentage you are getting in the first place. If they change you from 60% to 50% under those terms they aren't cheating because there was no agreement made as to what percentage you would get. The same goes for Google's AdSense. __________________ Rick Latona rick AT ricklatona.com Join the hottest newsletter in domains to find great deals. Borrow money against your names at DigiPawn.com aeiou.com is the only web development company which will add value to your names every time. Ask us why.

04-08-2009, 08:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Daniel Dryzek Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Warsaw, PL Posts: 390	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? At least 50% from each click goes directly to Google and even parking companies are not able to verify it in any way. So there will be another 50% given to parking company and you will get 30-70% from that - depends on how big domain portfolio holder you are and how much money can parking company earn on you. Revenue from parked domains is still very not transparent and it looks like it won't change for a long time. DD __________________ MeetDomainers.eu – Truly European Meeting of Domain Investors! Domain Market in Europe / Follow me on Twitter! ddfund.eu - ccTLD domain fund & domain development

04-09-2009, 11:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
snicksnack Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: China Posts: 293	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? I think affilate programs can work nicely, if you have the right domains. Alot of affilates pay for ads on google / yahoo and then send the traffic to the affiliate program. If these ads show up on the parked pages, it must work for the affilates and thus should work for you too. I find it sometimes hard to get accepted into some affiliate programs, as many are designed for US comapnies... __________________ ccTLD registration at domainer friendly prices .de €3.50 / .be € 5.0 / .co.uk €6.20 / .es €6.80 / .nl €6.20 many other good deals. .CM top level domains for Euro 70 per year.

04-10-2009, 01:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
snicksnack Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: China Posts: 293	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? Which affilate systems do you use? CJ.com, Linkshare.com, Google ? What else ? __________________ ccTLD registration at domainer friendly prices .de €3.50 / .be € 5.0 / .co.uk €6.20 / .es €6.80 / .nl €6.20 many other good deals. .CM top level domains for Euro 70 per year.

04-10-2009, 09:38 AM	#16 (permalink)
snicksnack Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: China Posts: 293	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? "CPX Interactive" is popunders / popups, at least this is what I have with them. __________________ ccTLD registration at domainer friendly prices .de €3.50 / .be € 5.0 / .co.uk €6.20 / .es €6.80 / .nl €6.20 many other good deals. .CM top level domains for Euro 70 per year.

04-11-2009, 02:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
oldtimer Status: Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 24	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? Even the most reputable parking companies will sometimes put priority on taking care of their own expenses before they decide how much they want to pay out to others which is pretty much accepted as the norm in the industry, but there are some that go one step further by giving a big share right off of the top to their favorite customers, and then divide whatever is left amongst everyone else along with some made up stats to supposedly justify their meager revenue. That***8217;s why that I like to use google AdSense, because at least with them I know that they are not going to shortchange their customers as a matter of policy, all the account activities are logged at google and so even if a rouge employee starts skimming from the accounts it shows up quickly and can be stopped right away. IMO - __________________ My minisites: www.SuperLuxuryHomes.com - www.CaliforniaPersonalInjuryLawyer.US - www.NewMortgagePrograms.com - www.NycHomes.US - www.NycAreaRealEstate.com

04-11-2009, 10:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
Daniel Dryzek Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Warsaw, PL Posts: 390	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? In Poland there are quite a lot of other feed providers (CPA, CPC), so there's a plenty of possibilities and competition towards Google AdSense if you want to setup minisites. DD __________________ MeetDomainers.eu – Truly European Meeting of Domain Investors! Domain Market in Europe / Follow me on Twitter! ddfund.eu - ccTLD domain fund & domain development

04-12-2009, 10:25 AM	#21 (permalink)
Alfredo Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 593	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? Has anyone used oxado.com? Oxado

04-12-2009, 01:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
snicksnack Status: Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: China Posts: 293	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? Thnaks alot for the information. I will check. I have a decent amount of .pl traffic, and hope to get some affilate stuff up an drunning. __________________ ccTLD registration at domainer friendly prices .de €3.50 / .be € 5.0 / .co.uk €6.20 / .es €6.80 / .nl €6.20 many other good deals. .CM top level domains for Euro 70 per year.

04-14-2009, 08:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
Billbo Status: Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 58	Re: Parking companies stealing you ? I stopped parking my domains about a year ago, yes I am out some dollars but I also don't have the ongoing hassle of playing the parking companies 'game'! If you can develop your sites and get affiliate advertising on you are likely to make much more money than if you parked your domain, and what is more you know that you are getting the rewards that your investment and time deserve and not what some desk jockey in a multi-million/billion dollar company thinks they can get away with giving you! That feeling is priceless in itself.

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