ccTLDs.com » Country Code Specific Forums » .cn Forum

[torch]

I've seen idn.***20013;***22269; domains advertised for sale on other forums. Are these legitimate domains?

CNNIC states: There are ".cn", ".***20013;***22269;", ".***20844;***21496;" and ".***32593;***32476;" are currently available for registration.
China Internet Network Infomation Center

I understand ICANN has been testing .idn's for a while. However, I did not know you could already register .idn domains. Once the testing phase finishes, do you think .***20013;***22269; domains that were registered before ICANN gave the offical approval will be allowed?

Also, what do you think is/will be more popular .***20013;***22269; or .***20844;***21496;?

[888]

Originally Posted by torch

I've seen idn.***20013;***22269; domains advertised for sale on other forums. Are these legitimate domains?

CNNIC states: There are ".cn", ".***20013;***22269;", ".***20844;***21496;" and ".***32593;***32476;" are currently available for registration.
China Internet Network Infomation Center

I understand ICANN has been testing .idn's for a while. However, I did not know you could already register .idn domains. Once the testing phase finishes, do you think .***20013;***22269; domains that were registered before ICANN gave the offical approval will be allowed?

Also, what do you think is/will be more popular .***20013;***22269; or .***20844;***21496;?

When you buy idn.cn you automatically also get idn.***20013;***22269; idn.***20013;***22283;

eg:

***25630;***31505;.cn
***25630;***31505;.***20013;***22269;
***25630;***31505;.***20013;***22283;

[torch]

When you buy idn.cn you automatically also get idn.***20013;***22269; idn.***20013;***22283;

Does this only apply to residents of China? If you live outside of China and purchase an idn.cn domain will you still get the idn.***20013;***22269; equivalent?

[westend]

There's a very easy way to find out. Go to a registrar and try to buy one. If the sale goes through, you have your answer.

[alpha]

Originally Posted by torch

Does this only apply to residents of China? If you live outside of China and purchase an idn.cn domain will you still get the idn.***20013;***22269; equivalent?

actually you may end up with 6 domains because you also get the simplified and traditional versions if they exist.

currently the .idn versions only resolve inside china as its done via their ISP's - off course when ICANN finally remove their thumb out their ass, they will also resolve elsewhere once they are in the root.

[Daniel Dryzek]

Originally Posted by alpha

currently the .idn versions only resolve inside china as its done via their ISP's - off course when ICANN finally remove their thumb out their ass, they will also resolve elsewhere once they are in the root.

Yes, this is another example that confirm how slow ICANN acts and that this organization shouldn't have so much power as it has right now. It's good in my opinion that Chinese didn't wait for ICANN to let them use idn.idn. The sooner the better and also people will not have to get used to twice - they will already know idn.idn domain names.

DD

[Alfredo]

I read some time ago that there was a race between Russia, China and UAE for will be the first to integrate it.

[alpha]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

I read some time ago that there was a race between Russia, China and UAE for will be the first to integrate it.

yes. and it looks like it will be Russia

the new .***1056;***1060; is getting ready to launch link in russian

in summary expected delegation October 09
first regs early 2010

but read the small print, like all these launches, the govt are witholding all geos (cities etc) for govt use, and there will be a block-list of reserved terms. There is also wording in there about "indescent" or "offending" names being unavailable. and then of course TM holders plus any other local govt restrictions on names they deem fit.

bottom line, there won't be a lot left.

If you happen to be sitting on any Russian idn.com geo's - all of this is good news, as it is certain that the Russian govt use of the geos in .***1056;***1060; will not be commercial. And with Verisign now stepping up asking for an idn version of .com etc - it's good news to idn.com holders.

Theres still a place for .***1056;***1060;, but IMO more of an official goverment set of websites.

[Daniel Dryzek]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

I read some time ago that there was a race between Russia, China and UAE for will be the first to integrate it.

In their situation - that's quite obvious. But ICANN doesn't seem to understand it enough. That's also why Chinese can have their "own" Internet in the future.

DD

[Alfredo]

Originally Posted by Daniel Dryzek

In their situation - that's quite obvious. But ICANN doesn't seem to understand it enough. That's also why Chinese can have their "own" Internet in the future.

DD

They are already blocking websites. I think they are very close of their "own" Internet.

[Daniel Dryzek]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

They are already blocking websites. I think they are very close of their "own" Internet.

And they have enough power to do that. Nobody inside China will be against that. And nobody from outside can do anything about it.

So we are coming to the conclusion that there can be several "Internets" in the future and you will have to switch your browser from one Internet to another That is possible.

DD

[Alfredo]

Tunisia have "two internet". The government blocks some websites or blog about politics reviews.
They rewrite famous websites or blogs with views in favor of the government.

[Daniel Dryzek]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

Tunisia have "two internet". The government blocks some websites or blog about politics reviews.
They rewrite famous websites or blogs with views in favor of the government.

Oh, that's even more interesting or I should say - more scary.. But kind of really different "global Internets" can appear in the future as well I think.

Even after implementing those idn.idn domain names it will be much harder for example for me to visit websites with such domain names.

DD

[Alfredo]

Originally Posted by Daniel Dryzek

Even after implementing those idn.idn domain names it will be much harder for example for me to visit websites with such domain names.

DD

1.- We will always have Google.
2.- We will have to learn keyboard shortcuts. Alt Gr + ...
3.- Copy-Paste characters
4.- ...

[Daniel Dryzek]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

1.- We will always have Google.
2.- We will have to learn keyboard shortcuts. Alt Gr + ...
3.- Copy-Paste characters
4.- ...

Hehe Of course but still it's getting more and more complicated and less accessible for different nations to understand websites in other countries (different domains, languages, scripts). I hope that language tools like Google Translate will get more and more professional. For now they are very helpful for me to read Chinese websites and in the future they will probably make translations almost as good as those made by humans.

DD

[Alfredo]

The language problem is already old.

I use google translate for texts and it's a horrible.

Now if you want to go to a Chinese IDN .com have the same problem.

[torch]

Originally Posted by alpha

actually you may end up with 6 domains because you also get the simplified and traditional versions if they exist.

currently the .idn versions only resolve inside china as its done via their ISP's - off course when ICANN finally remove their thumb out their ass, they will also resolve elsewhere once they are in the root.

Thanks for shedding some light on this.

So really China has won first innings points as far as the idn.idn race goes.

[torch]

As the OP for this thread I am amazed at the range of topics it spawned.

- Chinese idn.idn
- Google language tool - It may not be 100% accurate, but as a single language speaker it is invaluable to me.
- Chinese inernet policy
- Tunisia and Several internets
- Russia idn.idn news
- ICANN's finger up their ass (this one deserves a thread of it's own)

btw Daniel and Alfredo are you's having a post # battle?

[Alfredo]

Originally Posted by torch

As the OP for this thread I am amazed at the range of topics it spawned.

- Chinese idn.idn
- Google language tool - It may not be 100% accurate, but as a single language speaker it is invaluable to me.
- Chinese inernet policy
- Tunisia and Several internets
- Russia idn.idn news
- ICANN's finger up their ass (this one deserves a thread of it's own)

btw Daniel and Alfredo are you's having a post # battle?

I hope that was useful. In Spanish Forum we call it: Secuestro = Kidnap

About post battle. We are enthusiasts about domains and the instant email notification helps us.

[torch]

Originally Posted by Alfredo

I hope that was useful. In Spanish Forum we call it: Secuestro = Kidnap

About post battle. We are enthusiasts about domains and the instant email notification helps us.

Actually I found the various off-topic posts very interesting.